Curse

octaviancmb · Oct 17, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by sino-soviet

My ranger can deal 30-40 dmg to a group of enemies consistently and quickly, outdamging a lot of eles. But people dont seem to care.

Ah, but you see, since your damage doesn't come with a neat meteors-falling-from-the-sky graphic, you Rangers are obviously not doing anything.

I don't have character space for a Ranger, but there are more Rangers on my friends list than any other profession. Rangers are *fantastic* additions to a party.

Good luck finding groups,
cmb

Son of Mooky · Oct 17, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Partied with 6 rangers last night. I needed the bonus for my monk. Took the monk hench also. Fastest trip ever through Dragon's Lair. Glint was dead in under a minute. Seemed to be a hailstorm of disruptions and pindowns. I barely had to heal.

All character combos serve a purpose.

Diablo Paladin · Oct 17, 2005, 02:22 AM // 02:22

random build rangers suck

LifeInfusion · Oct 17, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

No. Ranger henchman has 0 second thinking time. It has instant reaction, which means better interrupts.

ratatass · Oct 17, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Rangers rock..

I did the reversal run from Droknars to Beacons just for fun with a group of players, randomly put together..

We were 2 rangers in the group. We were by far the damage and tanking output of the group. Many times it was just me and him standing...back to back or running repositioning ourselfs together...always helping each other and finishing off the mobs before we ressed the rest of the group...

It was just too bad that Europe didnt have the favor so we could have gotten some of the DP taken away by the statues...

But I was proud of my ranger. He wasn't as good as the other ranger but still I couldn't stop thinging how the group would have faired with more rangers...

now that would have been a slaughter fest..

I am sorry you get that from groups. I still get that sometimes if I revisit some towns for a quick mission or two...

Ratatass

Ps we reached Beacons....

lg5000 · Oct 17, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

I just got totally ignored by around 5 or 6 groups in Hells precipice. Totally bored with standing and spamming, i got my monk instead.
Within seconds i received invitations.

I asked why i should join their groups when they didn't want my ranger. I got no reply.

It's an anti-ranger conspiracy i tell you.

"Forming group, need monks, tanks and nukers. Invite self!"

You'd like my groups then, I normally want something more diverse than the standard and would prefer 1 warrior over more (I'm a monk, keeping 1 warrior alive is easier than two).

But... there is one thing I despise about the ranger class.. and that's the secondary ranger who brings charm animal, but no other skill for it! I've learned that the rangers pet is a good ally and that keeping it alive is almost as important as the group (the ranger should be looking out for his/her pet too though). What REALLY frustrated me was doing Ring of Fire and actually being in a position to put some prot. spells onto what I thought was the rangers pet. Turns out, the pet died reasonably fast and upon asking if someone was gonna rez the pet, being told by our mesmer that she didn't bring the skill to rez it. I would have prefered a better mesmer skill, or ranger skill instead of a pet which only stayed alive because I care about pets.

I do have an ele who's second prof. is ranger, and she has a pet

which I take on quests with henchies, but often for missions will prefer to go without, giving me 3-4 more ele skills to use.

Mimi Miyagi · Oct 17, 2005, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Maybe true - But as a counter - ALOT of the missions I have done without a Nuker. Theres also missions where we have not taken along Monks..And missions where we just used monks and rangers - therefore no warrior tanks.

The game does stay fairly balanced.

(I have also read from other sources that all the later missions in the game are easily done with ranger groups - maybe taking 1 monk for backup).

Well, I wasn't talking about other professions, or other missions, or all ranger groups, or whatever. What I basically was stating was that in that one particular mission, out of all of the missions and quests in the game, in Hells Precipice the ranger is a great group member, and parties that deny a ranger in their group are simply ignorant.

October Jade · Oct 17, 2005, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

I just got totally ignored by around 5 or 6 groups in Hells precipice. Totally bored with standing and spamming, i got my monk instead.
Within seconds i received invitations.
I asked why i should join their groups when they didn't want my ranger. I got no reply.
It's an anti-ranger conspiracy i tell you.
"Forming group, need monks, tanks and nukers. Invite self!"

I have shared your pain. My first character in PvE was a healer monk. I never felt the agony that so often accompanies PUG rejection. I'd heard of such afflictions through other posts similar to yours, but dismissed them as strings of bad luck, or whining rants at best. Then, 150 hours later, I created a character that was *gasp* not part of the Trinity of UberPwnz0ring. My world was turned upside down as my ranger sat impotently in mission towns, hoping to be accepted to a group with even a meager chance at success. The scope of bias against necromancers, mesmers, and rangers is at times astonishing. One must hope, for the sake of humanity, that such behavior is attributable to prepubescents with an inferiority complex.

Jakerius · Oct 17, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Okay, I"m gonna have another shot at it. Does anyone know wehre to get Heal Party from?

Arrow-bow · Oct 17, 2005, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Ranger class is not good at Roleplayngin but its one of the best class in PvP

and most of players hate rangers and think they are noob because ranger looks like a weak but truth is thtah the ranger is not weak,warrior will be weakest in PvP.

Death Omen · Oct 17, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I know what it's like to be booted from teams and i am a competant necro so i started to play with henchies and i did all the mission and once i accidently joined a group that ran the mission. I was pissed.

Makkert · Oct 17, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

You have to promote yourself more as a ranger/mes/necro. Because they dont fit into the trio (Monk, Warrior, Elementalist).

That or find an all ranger group (those are popular the latter part of the game I hear).

Ah yes, the turd trio. One of the biggest misconceptions in this game. Diversity was put in this game for a reason. Things go smoother with diversity.
All ranger groups have been used in Underworld a lot as trapper teams. But not very exciting.

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

Of all the missions in the entire PVE world - Rangers are only really truly needed at Hell's Precipice. Winter is vital, as well as pulling titans one at a time. Any PUG that doesn't take a ranger for that mission are morons and you would've died anyway.

I'm not bashing Rangers, I'm just stating the fact that of all the places in the game, that's the ONE place where you can't go without them.

And a lot of missions can go faster/ smoother with a ranger.
For example I used my ranger in SF yesterday. On the Alkar mission, I trapped Dust Trap around the priest to protect him, and both monks in our party went to support the team to bring the crystals, so that healing was never spread out. The Dust Trap did its trick 5x, and I used Throw Dirt and evasive stances to keep stand till the team got back. By the time they did, the enemies were allready 3/4 dead.
In one of the Galen Trask subquests I spammed interrupts on the Flame Djinn, and was able to lock Consuming Flames and interrupt the Flourish.

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Originally Posted by Diablo Paladin

random build rangers suck

random elementalist/ warrior/ monk builds suck

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

No. Ranger henchman has 0 second thinking time. It has instant reaction, which means better interrupts.

ehm. The ranger henchman does not interrupt.

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Originally Posted by Arrow-bow

Ranger class is not good at Roleplayngin but its one of the best class in PvP

and most of players hate rangers and think they are noob because ranger looks like a weak but truth is thtah the ranger is not weak,warrior will be weakest in PvP.

ehm, no? Warriors aren't weak in PvP. They may need some support, but certainly aren't weak.

Death Omen · Oct 17, 2005, 09:17 AM // 09:17

sounds like my friend felina started a very contraversial topic. Felina is good at that

coolsti · Oct 17, 2005, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Jakerius

Being a ranger...
Point is, hardly anybody likes Rangers.

This is what I have read on this forum again and again, and somewhat experienced in the game. But just like with Mesmers, the Ranger is a fantastic profession, and has become my favorite to play.

I went with my ranger to the Ring of Fire mission a few days back, and for some wierd reason, about 80% of the people waiting to do the mission were rangers. I joked about lets make an all ranger party, and everyone there was for it! Well, we took two henchy monks but were otherwise 6 rangers, and we had no problems and a lot of fun with this mission! BTW: nothing against BM, but for some reason all 6 of us did not take pets here. Imagine what pain a number of rangers packing the elite skill Barrage can cause!

I also experienced getting a party together for Thunderkeep, where we had 3 rangers in the party. A warrior joined, looked at the party members, said "What? Three rangers?" and bam, he left. We filled up the party with a henchy warrior, two henchy monks, and two other human non-warrior players, and finished the mission successfully!

The misconception is that a ranger just takes along a bow and does a little bit of damage from a distance. The real situation what people don't realize, is that a well equipped ranger is a fantastic skill and spell disrupter, and has the capacity to blind an entire group of foes engaging the team's tanks for a whole lot of seconds (throw dirt). And then there is that nice area damage skill Barrage. Coupled with lightning reflexes, its like using an area effect machine gun. And then there is the tanking pet, if one chooses BM - I saw a ranger's pet take on 3 Jades single handedly (our warrior was dead) without losing much health.

Never give up on your ranger, just find other people to party with!

aron searle · Oct 17, 2005, 09:42 AM // 09:42

one of my favorite farming teams is my warrior with a ranger and monk.

I love watching traps in action.

Mumoto · Oct 17, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52

I usually just pick some people ... Rangers are cool, I've heard they're useful in places like UW because they use traps.

Jakerius · Oct 17, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Okay, I started off with all henchies. Then Death Omen came on and he was gonna come along, but he had to jumpstart a car (bum).
So I got tired of waiting, and felt sorry for a mesmer and another necro, knowing that they probably had the same problems I did (I asked them, turns out they did/do)
So we had healer henchie, and two warrior henchies, with a level 17 Necro and level 18 Mesmer. We almost finished it, but I blame our loss on a glitch. The very last team got rez'd a few seconds after we killed the priest... weird.
We worked so well together we added each other to our respective friends lists, so we can do the mission again some time.

coolsti · Oct 17, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Keep trying and don't give up! Thirsty river was a nightmare for me with my first character, but now it is so easy, I usually can do it with the bonus (last three teams within 6 minutes).

This is one mission where at least one ranger in the group is a superb benefit, if that ranger takes along some skill/spell disrupting shots. With my ranger I took savage shot and distracting shot, and my main task was to disrupt the healers and spell casters as much as possible. And when we got to the last, most difficult group (the one with the monk boss and the priest, both healing each other) I concentrated on disrupting the priest while our group mesmer worked on the boss.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 17, 2005, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Jakerius

Thanks Loch, I might try that.
I actually got so tired of people screwing me over I started on PvP... I like it.

rangers are teh shiznite in pvp (not that they arent in pve, we just recognize).

kawaii_bat · Oct 17, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I understand. As a Ranger/N myself I have alot of trouble finding a group.

Groups will usually only have 1-2 slots available for the Rangers, Mesmers and Necromancers.

6s: 2W,2E,1-2Mo, 1-2 Odd
8s: 2W,2E,2Mo, 2 Odds

So there isn't that much space for us Rangers and all....In the tougher missions people like bringing Necromancers because of their Wells, Minion and energy regeneration skills.

But I think the most deprived of the 3 odds is really the Mesmer compared to the Ranger and/or the Necromancer.
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Tip to get into a party: Form your own party and invite those *you* want instead of trying to get into a group.

Ranger versatility:
Warrior replacer: Beastmasters. If you play your cards right the beastmaster can use his pet to tank.
Elementalist replacer: Trapers. Trapping and barrage and/or ignite work wonders and really helps to nuke. Have fun using escape+traps in mobs.
Monk replacer: Survivalists(wilderness survival+expertise). Keeping yourself healed (troll unguent, Melandru's resilience) and potentially others with healing spring as well as evading attacks with skills such as dryder's defence are good ways to stretch another monk's resources as well as help him/her along
Mesmer replacer: Interupting range (marksmanship+beastmastery).
I find it interesting that a Ranger's pet can interupt and perform different pet attacks while the Ranger does something else entirely. Beastial pounce + hunter's shot as well as feral lunge.
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Personal experience in Ranger versatility
(I use a R/N Beastmaster/Curse)
I was in a group of 6 when the only warrior and one of the 2 elementalist decided to leave 3/4 of the mission through. We had a Pyromancer, a healer and a necromancer(blood)

I said: ''Don't leave, we can still finnish it! My Boar can tank and I have mark of pain+ignite so me and my boar can help nuke.''
(My combo consists of casting mark of pain on a creature, sending my boar to agro and hit that creature, igniting my arrows and using call of protection)

They agreed to try it and noticed...my boar *can* tank and I *can* nuke.
So we went a little slower than if we had +2 players....but I did replace 2 players and we finnished the mission non-the-less.

But all this to say that : Yes! rangers are *very* versatile and should never be ommitted from a group.